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00:04.3
I completely understand,
00:05.6
Ang point ko lang is
00:06.7
you want more people
00:09.7
on this issue squarely.
00:11.2
If we know the facts,
00:12.8
it's easier for us
00:17.6
Kasi ako bilang academic,
00:19.2
marami ko nasulat
00:20.2
sa mga West Philippines
00:21.1
and South China Sea issue.
00:22.3
But to be honest,
00:22.9
this episode of Scarborough Show
00:25.4
until you clarified
00:26.3
some of these things,
00:27.7
medyo fuzzy pa rin
00:29.9
competing narratives
00:30.9
for the lack of better time.
00:32.3
Although the facts,
00:34.9
we more or less know
00:36.7
the general facts
00:37.9
I can clearly point that out.
00:38.9
So, thank you for clarifying
00:40.4
because even yung aking
00:43.1
si Ronald Llamas,
00:43.9
sabi niya na may pangako siya
00:46.0
na habang buhay pa si Pinoy,
00:47.3
he has to be also
00:48.6
about some of the discussions.
00:49.8
So siguro kaya ngayon,
00:50.9
all over the place,
00:51.8
ito si Ronald Llamas.
00:54.7
keep certain level
00:55.8
of confidentiality
00:58.8
Some sort of understanding
01:01.0
former president,
01:01.9
God bless his soul,
01:02.9
na you don't want to
01:03.8
spill the beans too much.
01:05.6
But unless you're forced
01:08.4
of legal investigation
01:09.7
or something along those lines.
01:12.0
I didn't know that,
01:14.3
I want to ask on this issue
01:15.4
before we transition
01:16.6
to the other important issue
01:19.2
naka-live na rin tayo
01:21.1
kung sinesensor tayo
01:22.3
on West Philippines
01:22.9
na huli sila ilang beses.
01:26.8
ibig sabihin yan,
01:28.7
pa rin ng Scarborough
01:29.7
technically speaking?
01:33.8
Yung Scarborough,
01:35.1
maliwanag yung ating claims dyan.
01:38.1
I was the principal author
01:39.7
of the Philippine Baselines Law,
01:42.4
the first internationally
01:48.1
the claim of Scarborough.
01:49.7
Pinasan na natin yan
01:52.0
yung Philippine Baselines Law.
01:54.0
ang Regime of Islands.
01:57.0
of the Philippine Baselines Law
01:58.7
was supposed to include
02:01.0
sa Philippine Baselines.
02:08.0
through the influence
02:11.4
they were able to
02:14.0
ng 14,000 square kilometers
02:20.4
na-compromise sila.
02:22.9
Regime of Islands
02:36.2
marine sanctuary yan eh.
02:39.3
endangered species doon,
02:43.3
typhoon sanctuary din siya
02:50.5
I heard may nagpasa din
02:58.7
you can say I'm more sympathetic now.
03:00.8
you would imagine
03:01.7
interjecting you more.
03:03.0
Alam mo naman style ko.
03:05.5
kasi sensitive tong issue na to
03:07.4
and I don't want this to come up
03:11.6
I want to be fair.
03:12.9
thanks for sharing me
03:16.4
it clarified some of the,
03:21.2
around this issue.
03:22.4
Kasi iba-ibayang version
03:24.0
not from the DDS side,
03:32.7
ang bottom line dito
03:36.0
yung interest ng bansa.
03:38.1
We fought for it.
03:40.1
Nilaban namin yan.
03:41.4
Kahit na anong upo,
03:43.3
just to give you an idea,
03:44.8
ito'y narireklamo kasi nila.
03:47.1
kaharap nila yung
03:49.2
sa negotiating table,
03:51.0
ang pambunga daw,
04:09.2
pag narinig daw nila
04:09.9
na umalis na sila,
04:12.7
pagkasabi nila nyo,
04:13.7
I will say exactly
04:16.2
ako naman sinasabi ko,
04:24.2
over Scarborough,
04:29.1
para sa nag-claim,
04:30.0
nag-claim na kami,
04:34.8
i-de-escalate natin.
04:36.5
That's how I negotiated.
04:38.9
sasabihan ka lang
04:41.3
ng ganito yung claim,
04:45.5
tindi ka mo siya roon.
04:53.8
over Scarborough.
04:55.4
hindi ako maatras doon.
05:09.0
our stance should be
05:10.0
say what you have to say
05:11.6
and I'll say also
05:12.5
what I have to say
05:13.1
and talk from there
05:17.1
that the other side
05:17.8
has mambo-jumbo claims.
05:19.1
Let's just accept
05:19.6
they're gonna make
05:20.2
mambo-jumbo claims
05:22.9
Kaya nga sinasabi ko
05:24.8
nung time na yun,
05:26.1
bakit kayo umaalis?
05:30.1
na ano na daw sila
05:35.8
titindigan mo sila.
05:45.1
At the end of the day,
05:47.9
Kung siga talaga kayo,
05:49.3
sa inyo talaga yan,
05:50.3
bakit kayo umaalis?
05:52.5
Doon sa Scarborough.
05:56.3
nagtryo ng isla dyan?
05:59.1
Diba kung sa inyo yan?
06:02.7
to push back against that,
06:04.8
I just have to be fair
06:06.5
The argument would be,
06:08.2
Digong's administration,
06:09.5
this is Secretary Lorenzana
06:11.5
yung Scarborough.
06:12.4
Kung ni-reclaim nyo yan,
06:14.5
in the sense that
06:15.0
masyado ito malapit sa Subic,
06:16.5
this is an affront to us,
06:18.0
and the United States
06:19.1
behind the scenes.
06:20.2
I know everyone goes back
06:22.3
conversation between
06:23.7
Xi Jinping and Obama
06:24.8
where Xi Jinping promised
06:29.3
So, everyone knows that
06:30.7
nagsinungaling siya.
06:33.1
on the Scarborough show,
06:34.2
it looks like maybe
06:36.4
ang US also made it clear
06:37.8
we're not gonna accept
06:39.7
reclamation of Scarborough.
06:42.0
understanding of this?
06:47.0
in that negotiation.
06:55.1
at gagawin nila yun
07:07.2
wala doon sa loob?
07:14.5
bottom line doon.
07:21.8
sila pumupunta eh.
07:23.3
What's stopping them?
07:37.4
nung time na yun,
07:40.7
in that backchannel
07:53.4
ganansya sa China
08:00.5
ng kumita ng gusto.
08:07.1
I think itong hearing
08:09.1
and then itong mga
08:12.0
Chinese hospitals,
08:13.5
fake Chinese doctors,
08:16.1
Duterte legacy ito
08:17.0
in one way or another.
08:21.3
complete coincidence.
08:22.4
Malapit sa Clark base
08:29.3
hindi nila mapakita
08:30.3
yung birth certificate
08:31.9
homeschooled daw siya,
08:33.2
sino yung licensed
08:35.3
ang dami mga gaps
08:37.2
Nothing suspicious
08:38.5
Nothing suspicious
08:41.9
pag hindi mo masabi
08:44.9
meron sa sinasabi
08:52.9
Tapos galingan pa ni
08:53.7
Sen. Gatchal yan,
08:57.3
mga kaibigan namin yan.
08:58.6
Anong pinagsasawin mo
08:59.6
na ganitong address?
09:07.8
Nag-language course
09:09.4
tapos binigyan siya
09:30.7
Pero yung dito na,
09:34.3
hindi umubra yung
09:36.4
na binigay sa kanila
09:44.8
you mentioned that,
09:47.0
Coast Guard Auxiliary
09:51.7
And, hindi coincidence
10:06.6
kumbaga, talagang
10:15.9
The floodgate was
10:17.0
The floodgate was
10:27.5
In exchange for what?
10:29.6
Ako, I still believe
10:39.8
okay, so essentially
10:40.7
what you're saying is
10:41.6
influence operator
10:43.9
pero second class
10:46.2
sabog yung story.
10:47.8
Kasi if you're really
10:51.0
explanation for all of
10:52.9
documents and stories.
10:57.5
cross-pollination
10:59.1
ng influence agents
11:00.4
and POGO business
11:01.5
considering officially
11:02.7
the Chinese government
11:03.5
is against online
11:08.5
hindi na kailangan nila
11:17.8
kailangan magpanggap pa eh.
11:19.2
They're out in the open.
11:20.9
Even as tourists,
11:32.4
ng Bambaba na to,
11:41.8
mag-language course lang,
11:46.6
Tapos binigyan siya
11:52.2
would have passed
11:59.3
nakalusot nga siya.
12:00.6
Nakalusot nga siya
12:02.0
dito sa Bamban eh.
12:10.3
The fact na umaten siya,
12:12.2
confident siya eh
12:13.2
doon sa cover story niya
12:19.5
eye-opener for us.
12:20.7
Ilan pa ba yung ganyan
12:23.1
Maybe we have to check
12:28.6
be paranoid about this
12:30.2
but for all we know,
12:31.2
tip of the iceberg
12:52.1
nakita natin yung
13:12.1
universities doon
13:19.2
universities nila.
13:22.5
English language.
13:23.9
And English language.
13:25.1
it's like Koreans
13:26.7
sa Baguio before,
13:30.6
Noong mga late 90s,
13:32.9
dito sa Pilipinas,
13:35.3
So, ngayon may mga
13:38.9
highly suspicious
13:40.3
naman yung 5,000.
13:46.4
nang disproportionate
13:53.6
na ngayon pa lang
14:01.3
namumulat na lahat.
14:11.2
Maraming talagang
14:16.0
enough is enough.
14:17.8
somebody says that,
14:27.6
ginawang punching bag
14:29.9
May nag-comment dito
14:31.6
TikTok ang interesting.
14:33.5
interesting lahat.
14:35.2
baka ito yung tunay
14:36.8
Hindi yung ginawa nyo.
14:37.7
Ito yung backdoor
14:41.6
this is the suspicious
14:45.1
which is usually,
14:49.2
it's just part of the game.
14:51.7
what do you think
14:54.8
potential infiltration
14:59.0
the Pro-Duterte camp?
15:03.7
these conversations
15:05.2
ang tanong kayo is,
15:11.2
Is this your warning shots
15:14.2
Is that what we're
15:16.4
Let's just say na
15:20.0
hindi kayang sabihin
15:30.8
reverberations eh
15:37.9
international community
15:45.4
investment natin.
15:46.8
Kumbaga may mga ganon.
15:49.5
for somebody like me,
15:59.6
Plausible deniability.
16:04.5
yun sa mga gumagalaw,
16:06.0
may chilling effect yan.
16:08.4
na-experience namin yan
16:09.6
na nagre-recruit kami.
16:11.5
panahon ni Gloria,
16:14.1
pagka may lumabas na
16:16.4
may destabilization
16:19.7
maglaylo muna tayo.
16:28.8
what do you think
16:31.7
this is a very low level,
16:38.6
potential attempts
16:39.6
at destabilization?
16:41.2
this is a destabilization
16:43.5
we're looking at.
16:46.7
Just to be clear,
16:49.2
compared to the population
16:51.4
the officer corps
16:53.0
and the rank and file
16:58.9
ito kasing grupo na ito,
17:00.6
ito yung Davao group na eh.
17:03.9
part nung sindikato
17:06.6
ito yung mga na-implicate
17:10.2
sila-sila din eh.
17:12.6
they were able to
