00:53.9
A long time ago, turn of the century.
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At nakaroon ng violence.
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Haymarket Square yata yan, nakaroon ng violence.
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At since then, doon na nagsimula yung celebration ng May 1 as Labor Day.
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At nagingkwa na siya, International Labor Day na, hindi lamang sa US.
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So doon nagsimula.
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Sabi nga nila, we have nothing to lose but our chains.
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Yun yung slogan pag Labor Day.
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Ngayon sa Pilipinas, there was a time na malakas.
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Ang labor movement.
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Noong 1950s, di ba?
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Pero yan ay dinurog ng Estado.
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Kaya since then, yung ating labor movement naging fragmented na.
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At lumiit na yung organized.
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Siguro less than 10% ng labor population natin are organized.
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At itong 10% hati-hati pa into different labor federations.
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Pero once in a while, nag-unite sila.
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Alimbawa, yung last time na nag-unite yan, noong 1987, after EDSA.
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Ang tawag, Labor Advisory Consultative Council.
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Nakasama ako dyan.
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Ako yata yung pinakabata.
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Nandyan yung mga giants ng labor movement.
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Si John Litan ng Federation of Free Workers.
02:10.5
Nandyan si Kito Mendoza ng TUCP, Trade Union Congress of the Philippines.
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Nandyan si Papsing Malonzo ng National Federation of Labor.
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Nandyan yung mga tupas.
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Ito yung dati, ang tawag nila dyan, pro-Soviet trade unions, et cetera, et cetera.
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Nandyan si Ignacio Laxina.
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Nandyan yung lahat ng legends.
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Ito yung last time na nagsama-sama sila.
02:41.7
Titans of the labor movement.
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Ito yung ang Hellbacking.
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Nandyan si Lando Olalia, si Crispin Beltran.
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Ito yung first time na nakasama ko lahat ng yan.
02:52.6
At for two years, nagsama-sama sila, nag-usap sila para mag-lobby ng mga bagong labor laws.
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Bagong labor advocacy doon sa Aquino government.
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Kaya once in a while, nababalik yung ganyang klaseng unity.
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At present, yung unity na yan ay nababalik over wages.
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At ito nga, nagkaisa sila na magkaroon ng 150 minimum wage increase.
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Na-approve na sa Senado.
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Hindi pa-approve sa Kongreso.
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Kaya a week ago, nagkaroon ng hearing sa Kongreso about that.
03:27.8
Maganda yung exchange.
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Dahil nandun din yung lahat ng mga employers' confederation.
03:33.2
So sabi ng mga employers' confederation doon sa mga trade unions,
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wag niyong gawin yan.
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Wag niyong gawin.
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Lalong maghihirap ang mahihirap.
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Lalong tatamaan yung informal economy.
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Lalong tatamaan yung mga sidewalk vendors.
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Lalong tatamaan yung mga small-scale industries, etc.
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Sabi ng mga labor na nandun, nandun si Louie Cora,
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nandun si Lucas Piritu,
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nandun si Joshua Mata,
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nandun si Rene Magtubo,
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para sa Partido Manggagawa, etc.
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Ang sagot nila doon sa employers' confederation,
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na ang sabi, pag nagkaroon ng minimum wage increase,
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ay maghihirap lalo yung mahihirap.
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Isa lang ang sagot ng mga labor sa kanila.
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Kayo na ba ngayon ang spokesperson ng mga mahihirap?
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O, kayo na ba ang representative ng mga sidewalk vendors?
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Yun lang ang sabi sa kanila.
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Passive-aggressive na sagot.
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Parang yung fentanyl.
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Kailan pa kayo naging spokesman ng mga mahihirap?
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Self-proclaimed din ito mga to,
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katulad ni Kipo Loy.
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Kung si Kipo Loy, ito mga self-proclaimed mga to.
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Yun lang sabi nila.
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Si kalawa, yung isang kongresista,
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na co-author ng Maharlika Bill,
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ayon sa aming research,
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ayon sa aming research,
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this is inflationary.
05:03.8
Again, passive-aggressive na sagot ng labor,
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hindi na sila yung agitation propaganda.
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Sabi ng mga labor,
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sang sako ng basura kinuha yung research na yan.
05:16.8
Paano magkakaroon ng research on minimum wage increase?
05:19.8
Yung pinakahuling minimum wage increase was 1989.
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more than 35 years ago.
05:28.8
So anong research yung sinasabi mo
05:30.8
na ang minimum wage increase
05:32.8
ay increases inflation?
05:34.8
Parang natututo yata sila sa atin,
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ang mga banat style.
05:38.8
Nagiging sarcastic na rin eh.
05:40.8
Natututo lang sa atin yung mga yan.
05:42.8
Pero ang main na banat nila
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ay doon sa Secretary of Labor.
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Bakit yung Secretary of Labor
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ay siya pa ang bumabanat doon sa wage increase?
05:56.8
Dapat man lang sana nag-neutral man lang siya.
05:59.8
Eh bakit siya pa yung parang spokesperson
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ng mga employers?
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Kasi nga sabi ni Marx,
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the state is the steering committee
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for the management of the affairs
06:10.8
of the capitalist class.
06:13.8
Bakit tumutulong ka?
06:14.8
Ikaw ba yung executive committee
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of the ruling capitalist class?
06:19.8
Eh wag ka na magpanggap na Secretary of Labor.
06:22.8
Kahapon, nung nagsalita ako doon sa
06:25.8
convention ng LUT-UCP,
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marami doon sa mga labor groups na pumunta roon
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ay ang sigaw na nila,
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lagwest ma-resign.
06:34.8
Lagwest ma-resign.
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two years ni BBM, wala kang ginawa for labor.
06:39.8
Tapos ngayon, ikaw pa yung kumukontra
06:41.8
para sa minimum wage increase.
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Hindi ka man lang sana tumahimik.
06:47.8
The cat is out of the bag.
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Basta, the air is out of the room,
06:53.8
the room is out of the air.
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by the way, kamusta ang 20 pesos na
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kada kilo na bigas ng pangako ni BBM?
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So, 50 pesos na lang ang kulang.
07:08.8
50 pesos na lang ang kulang.
07:10.8
Malapit na mag-100.
07:12.8
Be patient. Be patient.
07:14.8
May kausap din ako ng mga magsasaka last week.
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Sabi nila, wala na daw silang maitanim.
07:21.8
Dahil sa El Niño.
07:23.8
Tuyong-tuyo na yung kanilang mga sakahan.
07:26.8
Tapos ngayon naman,
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parating naman ng La Niña.
07:29.8
Babahain naman yung kanilang mga sakahan.
07:32.8
Sabi ko, anong ginagawa nyo ngayon?
07:34.8
To make ends meet.
07:35.8
Sabi nila, nagkakarga door sila sa palengke.
07:38.8
So, may hirap na kayo mga magsasaka.
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Lalo po silang humihirap.
07:43.8
Nagiging sila yung precariat labor eh.
07:46.8
Nagbubuhat na lang sila.
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At sabi nila, usually kasi meron dyang calamity fund
07:52.8
para sa ganito mga problema.
07:54.8
Usually, may disaster support, disaster fund.
08:00.8
Walang dumarating sa kanila.
08:02.8
At pagkikita mo yan, pupunta ka sa US.
08:05.8
Lahat ng farmers doon, may subsidy.
08:07.8
Lahat ng farmers doon, supportado.
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Horizontal tsaka vertical.
08:15.8
Lahat dyan supportado.
08:16.8
Lalong-lalo na, pag may calamity.
08:19.8
Lahat ng nawasak nilang produkto, babayaran ng gobyerno.
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I mean, what's going on here?
08:25.8
Is it because walang policy talaga si BBM sa mga ganyan?
08:28.8
After all his harnash about being Department of Agriculture, ganoon?
08:31.8
Or is he too distracted by the whole Digong thing?
08:34.8
Or the whole DDS-BBM war is just a convenient excuse not to do anything?
08:39.8
This is crazy, Ronald.
08:41.8
They can't get to power saying he will make the Singapore, whatever.
08:44.8
It's a framework.
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It's an ideology.
08:47.8
It's an institutional memory.
08:50.8
For lack of a better example, yung haharap nating agresor.
08:54.8
This is an ideological state.
08:57.8
They have a party, a government, which has been there for 80 years.
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Hindi yan nagbabago.
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Nandiyan na sila matagal pa.
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Meron silang institutional memory.
09:09.8
They improve on the past.
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Tayo, we forget that.
09:13.8
Tayo, we forget the past.
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Or we inherit the errors of the past.
09:19.8
Alimawa, yung ating nakaraang gobyerno, Duterte government, pro-China.
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So ininherit natin yung secret deal.
09:30.8
Sa ibang bansa, hindi nagbabago masyado ang foreign policy.
09:35.8
Hindi nagbabago ang welfare policy.
09:37.8
Hindi nagbabago ang civil liberties, human rights policy.
09:41.8
Dahil kahit naman, yung iba kasi sinasabi, dahil demokrasya tayo,
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kaya nagbabago tayo, hindi tayo ideological.
09:48.8
Democracy is an ideology, idiots.
09:52.8
Democracy is an ideology.
09:54.8
Europe is democratic.
09:57.8
Nagbabago ang democratic alternation of powers.
10:01.8
Pero may ideology.
10:03.8
Based on social welfare, foreign policy, civil liberties, etc.
10:10.8
Pwede yung economic, nagbabago.
10:12.8
Pero yung mga fundamentals ng lipunan, hindi nagbabago.
10:15.8
Kaya hindi excuse na tayo ay democratic, kaya tayo ay mahina.
10:21.8
Mahina tayo because of our leadership.
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Because of the lack of an ideological substance within our democratic framework.
10:32.8
It's the type of democracy, Ronald.
10:36.8
You have sense of democracy.
10:38.8
You have market-oriented democracy.
10:40.8
And then you have oligarchic democracy like the Philippines.
10:42.8
Where never socioeconomic rights were really prioritized.
10:45.8
It was always about political and civil liberties.
10:48.8
But even that was always questionable.
10:50.8
How can you have a democracy when majority are in dire poverty?
10:54.8
And the state is so weak.
10:56.8
For me, it's not only lack of dearth of ideological understanding of the situation.
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It's also we have such a weak, weak state.
11:03.8
Hindi lang kuting yung isa.
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Pati yung estado natin, kuting eh.
11:07.8
Pagdating sa labor issues.
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Fighting for the ordinary folks.
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Sabi nga ni Karl Polanyi, kainuman ng lolo ko yun eh, si Karl Polanyi.
11:17.8
Sabi niya, economic should be at the service of the state.
11:22.8
Economic should be at the service of social goals.
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Not the other way around.
11:27.8
Ang nangyayari sa atin, we are serving economic goals.
11:32.8
Katulad nung bilanggit natin na hearing sa kongreso.
11:36.8
Between labor and employers.
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Yun ang nangyayari.
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Kaya lahat ng contradictions, lahat ng weakness ng isang democratic system,
11:46.8
yun ang ating nararanasan.
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Habang yung ibang mga democratic system, nasusustain nila yung positive elements of democracy.
11:54.8
Tayo, sinusustain natin the negative elements.
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Warlordism, dynasties, corruption, impunity, etc.
12:02.8
So yun yung panaten.
12:04.8
Kaya kasama sa usapan natin dito sa labor, dapat mapag-usapan natin ito, natin na vacuum.
12:09.8
Dapat yung mga labor rights should be part of a societal rights.
12:16.8
Diba kanina nung nagsalita ako sa North America, may kasama kaming Australiana eh.
12:21.8
Yung pinag-uusapan namin dahil Mother's Day eh kahapon.
12:24.8
So pinag-uusapan namin right of mothers, right of women.
12:28.8
Eh sa buong mundo, tayo lang ang walang divorce law eh.
12:31.8
Divorce law is in the service of women.
12:33.8
In the service of women.
12:34.8
It is primarily...
12:36.8
Siya rin na hindi tinanggal yan, itong medieval approaches to certain social issues.
12:43.8
So yun yung kailangan maayos natin yung labor situation natin by fixing the entire society.
12:51.8
At yung entire society, mas malalaki yung chance ng pagbabago if labor is united.
12:58.8
So dikit-dikit yan eh.
13:01.8
Speaking of Card Polanyi.
13:02.8
Of course, he was known for the double movement theory which is there will be a response.
13:07.8
If puro market-market instrumental logic lang dyan at aping-api ang mga tao, they're gonna fight back.
13:13.8
So the question is why is the labor movement in the Philippines relatively weak?
13:18.8
And one reason I talked to for instance Cecilia Lera about this in Brazil, right?
13:23.8
One reason in Brazil the left is very strong and lula and all is because of a strong manufacturing base they have.
13:29.8
So the more people employed in manufacturing base, the more people they organize.
13:31.8
While the Philippines is a very service-oriented, weak manufacturing, weak agriculture.
13:37.8
So maybe may kinalaman din ito dun sa importansya ng manufacturing.
13:43.8
Or maybe you have a different...
13:49.8
Pero ikalawa, our industrial relations system is basically divisive.
13:54.8
Meron kang mga unions...
13:55.8
Divide and conquer.
13:57.8
Mga maliliit na sweatshops.
13:58.8
Meron kang mga union na nagbabakbakas.
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Meron kang mga union na nagbabakbakan, nagpapatayan sa mga industries.
14:04.8
Yung sa Latin America, kahit dyan sa North America, industry base eh.
14:11.8
Diba? Industry base yung kanilang mga unions.
14:14.8
Kaya these are bigger unions.
14:16.8
Mas madaling mag-negotiate.
14:17.8
At hindi masyadong divisive.
14:19.8
Hindi katulad natin.
14:20.8
Dito kasi you have to compete eh.
14:22.8
Sa isang 50 labor company, mag-aaway-aaway ang apat na union.
14:29.8
Kung sino ang ma-re-recognize.
14:32.8
So our industrial relations system is basically organized to divide labor.
14:39.8
Meron kang kailangan baguhin sa batas.
14:42.8
Dahil ganun ang pagkakaroon.
14:44.8
Why on earth is like...
14:45.8
Sobrang saboging system natin.
14:47.8
Worse than other third world countries.
14:54.8
It was meant to divide labor.
14:58.8
Dahil na-threaten sila noong 1950s na lumaki yung CLO.
15:04.8
Lahat kasama sa isang labor federation.
15:12.8
So kaya na-institutionalize yung ganitong klase industrial relations system.
15:17.8
Ronald, I'm gonna put you...
15:20.8
I'm also worried that you might run late.
15:22.8
I'm gonna put you a little bit in trouble which I always do obviously for good reason.
15:27.8
Ang opposition kasi natin is liberal.
15:30.8
More liberal than left.
15:32.8
It sees itself as left liberal for the lack of better term.
15:35.8
Pero it's more liberal than left.
15:37.8
Parang ang hina nung emphasis sa labor related issues dun sa campaign ng...
15:44.8
Correct me if I'm wrong.
15:45.8
But I saw it as your more typical left culture issue.
15:50.8
Pero liberal when it comes to socioeconomic issues.
15:53.8
I didn't see left on the socioeconomic issues.
15:56.8
In the opposition.
15:57.8
In the pink movement.
15:59.8
How can we correct that?
16:00.8
How can we make sure na more progressively oriented?
16:03.8
I mean obviously I can think about Riza Ontiveros.
16:05.8
But again we can go into this long conversation about Riza not being supported enough.
16:10.8
Or not still being seen as the champion of the opposition enough.
16:17.8
You've met the liberal democratic international.
16:20.8
These are basically representatives of employers.
16:24.8
These are capitalists eh.
16:25.8
So yung liberal parties mostly have been identified with capitalism.
16:36.8
Halimbawa sa Germany, yung liberal party is the party of the capitalists.
16:41.8
So talagang hindi sila ganun kalapit.
16:44.8
Well yung kaibahan naman sa liberal party sa Pilipinas.
16:48.8
May mga moments na meron silang mga leaders na nanggaling sa NGOs.
16:53.8
Nanggaling sa civil society.
16:55.8
So medyo ini-strengthen nila yung relasyon sa labor.
17:02.8
Ang liberal parties, ang ideology niyan is liberal democracy.
17:08.8
It's the lebyatan.
17:10.8
Lebyatan na framework.
17:13.8
Kaya madaling maging neoliberal yan.
17:16.8
At yung neoliberalism ay maraming weaknesses.
17:20.8
It's yung pinag-uusapan natin kanina.
17:22.8
Society serving economic goals.
17:25.8
Or rather the interests of the narrow oligarchy.
17:32.8
Kaya si Karl Polanyi, pinag-predict niya eh.
17:36.8
Itong neoliberalism.
17:38.8
Almost a century before.
17:41.8
Di ba, pinag-predict naman niya ito eh.
17:44.8
Sinulat na niya yan eh.
17:46.8
Itong components ng neoliberalism.
17:49.8
Sabi niya, dito ang direction.
17:52.8
Dito ang direction ng kapitalism.
17:54.8
Dito yung direction ng globalization.
17:56.8
Dito ang direction ng mga nation-state.
18:00.8
Sinulat na yan eh.
18:02.8
Kaya marami sa mga social democratic parties sa Europe ay dyan ang galing eh.
18:08.8
Sa mga sinulat ni Karl Polanyi.
18:10.8
Naging requirement siya sa mga social democratic parties.
18:14.8
But not liberal parties.
18:16.8
Not liberal parties.
18:20.8
Kung magamitin mo liberal party as the party for the working class, hindi mangyayari yun.
18:26.8
Babangga ka sa ideology.
18:29.8
Yun yung limitation talaga. Yun yung blind spot talaga ng liberal opposition.
18:34.8
Magkikreate ka ng bago.
18:36.8
A coalition, a movement, or a new political party, or all of the above.
18:41.8
And a new framework of thinking, yeah.
18:45.8
Kaya meron kang bago na kukunin kila Piketty.
18:49.8
Meron kang luma na kukunin kila Karl Polanyi.
18:54.8
So it's a synthesis of old ideas na valid.
18:59.8
At mga new ideas, new data, new analysis, new messages na kailangan i-integrate doon sa luma.
19:09.8
At development ng mga strategies na hindi pa ginawa ng progressive movement.
19:16.8
Saibawa, si Kwan, si MOVE, no?
19:20.8
Yung mga theories niya about...
19:22.8
Chantal, Chantal MOVE, yeah.
19:24.8
Yeah, yeah. See, about populism, no?
19:26.8
Nasa ngayon, ang gumagamit is basically reaction.
19:29.8
Ang gumagamit is the right.
19:32.8
Kasi nasa ngayon, there can be a progressive populism, no?
19:35.8
Yun yung Kwan, no?
19:38.8
Okay lang, ang problema natin, wala ngayon...
19:40.8
Sa progressive movement, wala nag-uusap tungkol dyan.
19:43.8
Wala nagde-debate.
19:44.8
Wala tayong Frankfurt School.
19:46.8
Wala tayong Frankfurt School na yung ating mga intellectuals nagde-debate tapos pinopopularize.
19:52.8
Nag-aaway tapos kumukuha ng synthesis.
19:54.8
Yun yung kulang eh.
19:55.8
Baka yun ang pwede yung simulan ni Leloy.
19:57.8
No? Yung kanyang klase niya...
19:59.8
Going back to this, diba?
20:00.8
I mean, first of all, doon sa issue ng inflation, gusto ko balikan ito sa 20 pesos kada kilo.
20:05.8
It's not the price per se, it's the affordability.
20:07.8
So even if kung mag-50 pesos or 100 pesos ito kada kilo,
20:11.8
pero yung kinikita ng tao ay 4 times, 5 times more,
20:15.8
let's beat the inflation.
20:17.8
Let me, Ron, I have to say this.
20:19.8
May mga nakakairitan ng mga ekonomista ng mga liberal side.
20:22.8
Hindi ko natin kailangan pangalanan.
20:24.8
They try to demonize Leloy and then they try to demonize me for saying,
20:28.8
the real important issue here is the real wages.
20:31.8
Yung kita ng tao kung base doon sa inflation rate.
20:35.8
And then, ito mga walang hiyang ito ah.
20:37.8
They twisted my word and said, I said inflation is good.
20:41.8
And then kay Leloy sinabi nila, si Leloy hindi ka ekonomista, huwag ka na magsalita essentially.
20:47.8
Bastos naman ako na i-call them out eh.
20:49.8
Ang yaban ko nga ito eh.
20:50.8
Kaya sabi ko, huwag kayong makikita sa mga local economists.
20:52.8
Pero at least kayo, dinedemonize pa lang.
20:54.8
Ibig sabihin, hindi pa kayo demon.
20:56.8
Ako kasi, wala na nang didemonize sakin eh.
20:59.8
Kasi shogun ka na.
21:01.8
At wala rin bumabastos sakin.
21:03.8
Wala nang bumabastos eh.
21:05.8
Kaya gusto ko may bumastos din sakin eh.
21:09.8
Ayan, sinabi nun. Papasene tiling.
21:12.8
Gusto ko nakipagbastusan eh.
21:14.8
Pero yun, nalulungkot ako na wala nang didemonize sakin.
21:20.8
Hindi na kailangan kasi self-evident na ito eh.
21:23.8
Pero sir Ronald, yun ang sinasabi ko eh.
21:26.8
Doon ko nakita talaga nakatrapuan ng mga ibang paliberal-liberal dyan.
21:30.8
Kasi, you know, like their thinking is so limited.
21:33.8
It's just good governance, ganyan-ganyan lang.
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Wala silang industrial policy, wala silang idea.
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I mean, walang comparative understanding of how in other developing countries
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they're creating economy.
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They're making a better equilibrium.
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Walang understanding na the bank was central and the state should balance inflation.
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But the emphasis should be employment generation, real wages.
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Wala, walang ganun eh.
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Tapos napaka-limited yung level of economic discussion sa Pilipinas.
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Kaya umiinig talagang ulo ko because we can never fight for a real democracy
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kung wala tayong proper economic agenda.
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Hindi kung ano lang, civil and political rights.
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There has to be economic and socio-economic rights also eh.
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Doon tayo nagkakakulang eh.
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Tapos eh, napaka-intense pala ng debate sa Kwan eh.
22:13.8
Sa Senado, between yung paborito mo, si Robin Hood Padilla.
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Ay hindi, favorite ko, Bato.
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Kabi ni Bato, authentic daw yung PIDEA document.
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Bakit? May punch hole sa gilid. May punch hole.
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Yun ang basis niya why it is authentic.
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Napakalalim ng diskusyon sa Senado.
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Eh ito lang eh, sa inflation eh.
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Yung mga kaibigan natin, ekonomista eh, ang solusyon sa inflation,
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taasa ng interest rates.
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And then you kill the economy.
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Napakalinaw naman na supply side yung ating inflation.
22:52.8
It's about productivity eh.
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It's not about demand eh.
22:56.8
Kahit tignan mo na lang sa neoclassical framework nila.
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Kahit doon eh, mali eh.
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Kahit doon nalang ang gamitin, mali eh.
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Mali naman talaga ekonomista.
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Few expected the fact na mangyari ito sa US which is,
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tinasa nga interest rate, mataas pa rin ng growth,
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at eventually umaba rin yung inflation.
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And at some point, inflation was high and growth was also high.
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Hindi nagkaroon ng statistics doon.
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So, we are seeing an era which is defying all of these, you know, presumptions.
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Presumptions of the so-called science of economics.
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So, humility lang.
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Because you have to be empirically oriented.
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And you have to be rights oriented.
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Hindi yung mga natuto mo lang sa eskwela eh,
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ipapamukha mo sa iba na magaling ka.
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Sorry Ronald ah, I'm a bit, ah, medyo na-care ako doon.
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Sorry Ronald ah, I'm a bit, ah, medyo na-care ako doon.
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Sorry Ronald ah, I'm a bit, ah, medyo na-care ako doon.
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Because, yun nga eh, paano natin ayusin itong demokrasya natin
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if yung mga kunyaring opposition pa dyan,
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or yung mga opposition dyan,
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ganun kalimitado yung pagkaintindi nila sa economic issues.
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And we're not gonna have a real deal until we deal with the economic issues.
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Ako nga, ako nga, hindi nga akong gagawa ng judgment eh.
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Hinihingi ko lang debate.
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Pagdibatihan, pag-usapan ito.
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No, yun yung ah, para hindi lang dito natin pinag-uusapan.
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Paano? Sabi nila, puro ma-retest nila.
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Yes, sir Ronald, bakit naman hindi...
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O, puro ma-retest lang eh.
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Experts mga yan, mga scientists mga yan,
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mga pag-uusapan ng Pinos of Manila mga yan.
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Ayaw kasi ma-retest lang eh.
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Ayaw kasi puro ma-retest lang.
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Sino ba naman ako? Di naman ako iniimbitas sa podcast ni Madam or something like that.
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Ganun talaga, ganun talaga sir Ronald.
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Either mga trapo na anong ano natin,
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or itong mga liberal na ekonomista na ganyan.
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Wala, wala naman nakikinig sa atin.
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Sino ba naman tayo? Simpleng tao lang.
24:38.8
Ang galing na akademisyon lang naman sa California yung isa.
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Ano ba naman naman naman ang mga akademisyon? Ang gagaling eh.
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Correct, correct.
24:46.8
Ang isang akademisyon, ano daw yung sinasabi natin?
24:49.8
Na wala na yung UNI team.
24:52.8
Ewan, ewan, ewan, ewan.
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Mayroon, may profession daw.
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Ang president at president.
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Ang akademisyon na pinahalis na yan.
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Pinahalis na yata, hindi na mga akademisyon na yan.
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Tapos, meron pa ako nakita ang isa.
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Mula sa iyong alma mater.
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Talking about Kwan.
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Panlaw. Talaga na mga...
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Ano alma mater? Yupi to ah.
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Oo. Sinasabi niya yung what is obvious.
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Maraming magaling na gano'n. Magaling sa obvious.
25:22.8
Maraming gano'n. Mayroon paliwalad nila what is already there, what is obvious.
25:25.8
Majuanicam ladies.
25:29.8
Kaya bumababa yung aking self-esteem.
25:34.8
Zero na. Dumami na naman yung kalaban natin.
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At least, matuwa na dapat ang mga leftist sa atin.
25:41.8
Inerring na natin yung bandera.
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Nag-enjoy naman ako. Nag-enjoy naman ako yung mga kaaway.
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O sige, I will have to rush.
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Exacto. At 229, let's wrap this up.
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Thank you very much Sir Ronald Llamas.
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Mabuhay ka na. Please alagaan mo sarili mo at ingat sila sayo.
25:59.8
Alright, on that note. God bless.
26:01.8
Limahong ito. Limahong. No?
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Battle of Limahong.
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Limahong yung aking genetic make-up. Nat-trace ka limahong.
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Pirata ka pala eh. Pirata.
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Isapan na yan. Zero naman. Baka may MTRCV naman tayo.
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God bless and talk to you soon.
26:20.8
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