01:17.6
Yung ayungin through the PRP Sierra Madre.
01:20.7
So yung status ko ng rotation sa pag-asa and other outposts, walang problema doon.
01:28.7
Pero kung ipe-prevent mo yung pag-repair ng PRP Sierra Madre,
01:36.5
e detrimental to our interest yun kasi nga, ano na siya eh, dilapidated na yung barko
01:43.8
at pagka hindi yan na-repair ng maayos, e talagang ano na yan,
01:52.4
baka isang typhoon na lang yan, it would be swept away.
01:56.0
Pagka nawala yan dyan,
01:57.7
therefore, pwede na nilang dapaan niyang ayungin na yan to prevent yung outpost.
02:05.7
Ngayon, ilalagay lang natin yung history niyan, bakit ba natin sinadsad yan?
02:10.5
Sinadsad natin yan in response dun sa pagkuhan nila ng mischief reef.
02:16.9
Diba? Mischief reef, una, naglagay sila ng fisherman's shelter,
02:24.7
tapos eventually nilagyan na nila ng base.
02:27.7
So, in response, ito ngayon, yung ERAP administration, nagsadsad sila ng PRP Sierra Madre.
02:34.8
I was still in the Navy then, kaya alam ko yung surrounding circumstances noon.
02:41.4
Maraming mga options na nilatag noon in response dun sa ginawa nila sa mischief reef,
02:49.1
pero ultimately, they ended up with deliberately running aground itong PRP.
02:57.7
Pero ang nakita ko lang na bago nito, noona yung rotation, mga Navy, ano yan,
03:04.5
personnel lang nandiyan dyan, may officer pa, so yung maintenance ng barco, ano yan eh,
03:10.9
inherent yan sa Philippine Navy personnel, yung pagre-repair ng deck,
03:16.8
pag may maintain ng naval guns, yung communications equipment, etc.
03:20.4
But then, during the GMA administration, they decided, I don't know,
03:27.7
yung mga leaders noon, na they decided, palitan yung Navy personnel ng mga Marine personnel.
03:37.4
Yung Marines, ano yan sila sa, sabi ko nga, sa digmaan, maasahan mo sila.
03:44.0
But they don't have any idea on how to maintain a Navy shield.
03:50.6
So, simula noon, wala na, napabayaan na.
03:54.4
Kasi, nung Navy pa lang yung nandodoon,
03:57.7
naka-assign doon, kahit nakasad-sad siya,
04:02.0
they were operating as though this was a regularly commissioned Navy ship.
04:07.9
So, yung may re-repair, may re-repaint yung deck, na kinakalawang, ano siya,
04:14.5
as thorough yung maintenance niya as the ships na nandodoon sa Cavite Naval Base.
04:20.0
Pero nung tinanggal na, ito na ngayon, na dilapidated na talaga siya, napapabayaan na siya.
04:26.0
Kaya, ang initial suggestion ko dyan,
04:27.7
mag-redeploy tayo ng Navy personnel dyan,
04:33.3
yung mga bosom smith rating na tinatawag namin,
04:36.2
those who are adept at maintaining the deck, the ship.
04:42.0
So, kaya nilang i-repair yan.
04:44.0
Would you believe, Richard, pagka binalik mo yan sa Navy with the proper logistical support,
04:50.9
they can bring that back to almost original state.
04:57.7
So, kaya nilang i-repair yan, kahit nandodoon sa gitna ng ayungin.
05:00.7
Kasi that's the maintenance culture of the Philippine Navy.
05:05.7
Sir, I really appreciate this.
05:07.7
Kasi parati kong iniisip, kasi nag-give talks doon sa iba-ibang branch ng AFP,
05:12.7
yung isang time sa mga Marines naman, sabi niya,
05:14.7
Sir, actually kami yung nagbabantay dyan.
05:17.3
And then, oh nga, no, sabi ko, yeah, Marines.
05:19.4
So, I was wondering, what is, ano yung kasaysayan na yung Marines ay nandun,
05:23.7
hindi yung Philippine Navy.
05:24.6
So, thank you so much for explaining that,
05:26.6
which I think is a perfect segue.
05:27.7
Because the next thing I want to talk about is itong quadrilateral patrols.
05:32.7
Finally, nangyayari yan.
05:33.8
Now, of course, may ibang mga ex-Duterte official na senador ngayon na re-electionist
05:39.7
nagta-take credit dito sa quadrilateral summit na yan
05:43.5
kasi na-mention daw niya last year.
05:45.2
And I was saying, actually, minimension namin lahat yan for six, seven years
05:48.6
dahil lang sa dating boss mo hindi nangyayari yan.
05:51.7
So, it has nothing to do with you.
05:53.4
But anyway, putting aside itong mga antics ng mga ex-Duterte official,
05:57.7
matapang na sa West Philippine Sea.
06:00.2
Anong ambag ng itong quadrilateral patrols na yan
06:04.3
and other things na inisip natin?
06:07.1
let me be very honest about this.
06:09.2
I'm a little bit annoyed with the patronizing tone
06:13.1
coming from some of the American experts and officials na
06:16.0
tulungan natin mga Pilipino,
06:17.9
kailangan nila ng joint patrols, mga gano'n.
06:19.8
Like, I see the point of stronger military cooperation and all.
06:23.9
Pero katulad ng sinabi niyo kanina,
06:25.3
kaya-kaya naman natin gawin yan.
06:27.7
You can do this on your own.
06:29.0
Mas malalaki tayong mga barko, di ba?
06:32.7
We haven't used the best of the best yet, di ba?
06:35.7
Logistically, what is your suggestion here?
06:38.7
Should the Philippines also do joint resupply with the U.S.?
06:41.7
Should the Americans have drones in the area all the time?
06:45.7
Or corvettes or frigates?
06:47.7
How can our allies be more useful?
06:49.7
And how can we make sure China doesn't harass us the way they have done?
06:52.7
Kasi ang tanong ko rin dito sa inyo, Sen. Trillanes,
06:56.7
is that, for a long time,
06:57.7
from the time you did your own backdoor negotiations with China
07:00.7
to this gentleman's agreement, etc., under Digong,
07:03.7
China has not fired a shot.
07:05.7
I mean, as far as, you know, guns go or cannons go.
07:09.7
But itong mga water cannons nila is increasingly lethal.
07:12.7
Kaya ang suggestion ko naman, sabi ko ito sa gobyerno,
07:14.7
i-compare niyo yung punching power ni Mike Tyson
07:17.7
dun sa water cannons.
07:19.7
So people realize, lethal ito.
07:21.7
It's almost lethal.
07:22.7
So, what are the options we have?
07:24.7
What is the best way for us to assert our rights there
07:26.7
without being harassed or do it best?
07:28.7
And at the same time, make sure we get help from our allies?
07:31.7
Okay. Marami, no? Maraming pwedeng gawin.
07:36.7
Pero kasi, intindihan natin, kung ang objective ng Marcos administration
07:41.7
is to draw international attention, kasi talagang if you charter a wooden ship,
07:48.7
talagang bububugin siya na that way, no?
07:51.7
But kung gusto mo ng, ano, kung ipapadala mo yung,
07:55.7
ipapadala mo yung white ships mo, yung Coast Guard vessels mo na medyo malaki-laki,
08:00.7
eh kaya naman i-withstand yung water cannons na iyon.
08:04.7
Kasi they were designed, actually, to withstand mga typhoons.
08:09.7
Diba? Eh yun lang, water cannon, kaya iyon.
08:12.7
Ngayon, another way is pwede kayong makipagbombahan ang water cannon doon.
08:18.7
Diba? Meron din yung Coast Guard, which is what the Japanese Coast Guard did
08:24.7
during the Senkaku standoff. Pero para na kayong mga batang nagwa-water gun,
08:29.7
ano, diba? Battle. Ano yun, eh? There's nothing to be achieved there.
08:35.7
Kaya nga, depende yun sa focus or porcos ng Marcos administration.
08:41.7
If it's to draw international attention kung papano nang bubuli yung China,
08:46.7
well, they were able to achieve it. Diba? They were able to achieve that.
08:50.7
Kasi kung Coast Guard vessel dadali mo dyan, kahit na, eh,
08:52.7
ano yun, eh, kayang-kaya yun, barko. So hindi kagano makaka-gain ng sympathy.
09:02.7
Diba? Pero dahil doon, diba, if it's really by design,
09:07.7
ito ngayon, nakadraw ka ng mga international coalition to at least help us, support us.
09:16.7
Then itong na-mention mo na Quad Patrols, ito naman, parang ano lang ito, eh.
09:22.7
This is just to give China an idea na we're not alone in this. Diba?
09:28.7
Pwede yan yung freedom of navigation patrols operations.
09:32.7
Pero malayo yan, eh, yung pinagpatrolya ng Quad doon sa Ayungin.
09:39.7
Now, if we would send our grey ships doon sa Ayungin to resupply, ano to?
09:50.7
Kung baga, pwede mong gawin yan, pero kailangan kakalculate mo din ano ba yung magiging response nila.
09:57.7
So pataasin ng pataas yan. Escalate ng escalate yan. So until magkakaroon ka ng standoff,
10:03.7
then doon ka ngayon. Babalik ka doon sa situation doon sa 2012 na ano yun, depende na yun sa kausap.
10:11.7
Pero I believe the 20, the back channel approach that worked in 2012 may not work this time around.
10:19.7
This time around because again of the foreign policy shift of the Xi Jinping administration,
10:29.7
which is ano na, open expansion na. At ano na sila, parang bordering rogue state na sila, eh.
10:39.7
Nawala na yung belt and road, ano, diba, economic, kung baga they were trying to charm the whole world with their,
10:48.7
with their economic might. Pero ito hindi na. Na tipong, sige, we will stand toe to toe with you on this.
10:58.7
Now, yung sinasabi natin pwede, another approach is, and I've been suggesting this, pwede naman helleborn yung operations.
11:10.7
Oo. Kahit Coast Guard ship yan, may helleborn capacity yan.
11:16.7
So magdadala sila doon. Ten minutes.
11:18.7
Ten minutes away, ayungin, they will drop the supplies.
11:20.7
Then, ano, eventually nga, pwede tayo maglagay ng helideck d'yan sa BRP Sierra Madre.
11:29.7
So yung rotation, pwede rin gano'n through that.
11:35.7
So pagkagano'ng kasi ginawa, eh sino yung maharangan nila? Hindi nila maharang yun.
11:41.7
If they do anything aggressive towards that helicopter at mag-crush yun, eh,
11:44.7
If they do anything aggressive towards that helicopter at mag-crush yun, eh,
11:46.7
at mag-crash yun,
11:50.5
Problema nila yun.
11:51.9
As you mentioned,
11:52.4
tama ng mutual defense treaty yan
11:54.0
because very clear
11:54.7
ang at least Trump and Biden
11:56.1
na any attack on our vessels,
11:58.6
and soldiers and personnel
12:00.3
will activate the mutual defense treaty.
12:03.0
And kaya nga nakita mo,
12:08.1
in-skirt nila yung
12:10.7
dun lang sa gray zone sila
12:15.1
beyond the red line
12:18.4
mutual defense treaty.
12:26.4
pwede nilang gawin itong
12:28.3
Mag-charter kayo ng wooden ship.
12:29.8
Mukha kang underdog talaga.
12:31.6
Pero itago mo yung mga tao mo
12:33.5
para hindi sila masasaktan.
12:36.6
Pero gusto mo nang medyo sturdy siya
12:38.6
or all-weather ship,
12:40.3
yung Coast Guard,
12:41.3
meron silang ganyang vessels
12:42.7
that can withstand typhoons
12:44.9
o kayang-kaya nilang water cannon
12:46.5
and they can proceed
12:47.6
just ignoring the water cannons
12:51.7
or they can do what
12:55.1
during the Senkaku standoff.
12:57.4
Magputukan sila ng water cannon.
13:00.1
Or they can do the
13:01.7
Heliborne approach.
13:04.5
So these are just some of the ways
13:08.8
without escalating
13:12.7
by the Americans.
13:16.0
kasi feeling ko medyo ahead of time
13:17.6
medyo advanced mag-isip yung iba
13:19.7
na eh dapat yung kasama yung US
13:21.5
sa resupply and all.
13:22.3
Ako kasi ang concern ko dito is
13:23.6
we don't want to come up as
13:26.4
or masyadong dependent sa America
13:28.0
because I think we're very much capable
13:29.5
of doing this on our own.
13:32.1
medyo malalaki-laki na yung mga
13:33.5
Coast Guard vessels natin.
13:34.9
Medyo matinunan rin yung ibang warships natin.
13:36.8
So in fairness kay Pinoy
13:38.3
and throughout the past decade
13:41.7
medyo nag-modernize naman
13:42.8
yung capabilities natin.
13:44.0
But siguro the US
13:45.6
do you think they should still have
13:47.0
an over-the-horizon presence?
13:49.7
Maybe just a frigate in the area
13:52.3
just in case to make the Chinese think twice.
13:54.5
I mean they have been doing that anyway
13:55.9
but even more explicit institutionalized.
13:59.9
They have been doing that
14:01.3
and you know why?
14:03.9
stakeholder sila doon sa Mutual Defense Treaty.
14:06.8
Kaya binabantayan nila yung ating
14:08.7
resupply missions
14:10.0
because they would be able to
14:12.4
to know first hand
14:14.0
kung kailangan nilang i-trigger
14:15.7
yung Mutual Defense Treaty.
14:17.6
And yun din ang pinakang guard mo
14:20.0
against over-aggressiveness of China
14:22.9
to the point na may
14:25.2
masasaktan o mamamatay
14:27.7
na Navy personnel.
14:31.3
Now let's talk about this
14:32.8
upcoming trilateral summit
14:34.2
because one of the things that
14:35.9
is expected to be signed
14:38.5
shortly after actually trilateral summit
14:40.9
is a Visiting Forces Agreement style deal
14:43.5
There's still some debate about
14:44.7
ano talagang meron dyan.
14:46.4
Some say it's just a
14:47.2
reciprocal access agreement.
14:48.8
Officially that's going to be the term
14:50.0
not the Visiting Forces Agreement
14:54.2
there are some people are saying
14:56.0
baka ang gusto ng Japan
14:56.9
magkaroon din ng rotational
14:58.0
access sa some of the bases
14:59.9
in the Philippines.
15:00.6
Now we can have a long conversation
15:01.7
whether papasa yan sa KO party
15:03.6
given the constitutionalization in Japan
15:05.7
but it looks that's the direction of the wind.
15:08.7
If China keeps on bullying us
15:10.5
how do you feel about
15:13.5
coming in potentially
15:14.6
having more direct cooperation with us.
15:16.8
They have done very well
15:17.7
in terms of helping us
15:18.5
in our coast guard capability.
15:21.3
Prime Minister of Japan
15:22.7
just recently said
15:23.4
we want to be a global partner
15:25.4
because hindi lang robbing
15:26.5
to the Batman in Asia
15:28.7
kind of adjustment.
15:30.5
We want to be part of this kind of
15:31.7
group of people helping.
15:34.0
And then pagdating sa U.S. naman
15:35.7
I think it's unavoidable
15:36.9
to talk about this.
15:38.3
What do you think
15:40.3
on the Taiwan question?
15:42.1
Because I think a big priority
15:43.5
a big priority for Biden
15:44.8
essentially get the Philippines
15:48.6
deterrence strategy.
15:50.8
And probably part of that
15:52.4
more American presence
15:53.9
on the northern bases natin
15:55.1
hindi lang kagaya ni Sabela
15:56.3
maybe in Batanes.
15:58.2
What is your read
15:58.9
also the Taiwan angle
16:00.6
and also Japan coming in
16:02.4
and of course Japan
16:03.0
also has an interest in Taiwan.
16:04.4
So itong trilateral
16:08.1
West Philippine Sea.
16:11.2
correctly observed
16:24.4
we're already there.
16:37.0
fully operational na yan
16:39.8
yun yung deterrence
16:52.3
in military operations
16:57.5
yung Visiting Forces Agreement
17:02.3
kasi we have to understand
17:08.4
medyo stretched na sila
17:19.0
kung magpapatrol dito
17:23.4
sa kanilang mga troops
17:25.6
Visiting Forces Agreement
17:36.8
Maritime Defense Force
17:39.2
so internal lang sila
17:40.3
so ngayon lang sila
17:46.8
and territorial waters
17:48.2
so kailangan nilang
17:50.5
matrain yung kanilang
17:58.2
with other navies
18:00.1
para malaman nila yung mga
18:01.5
replenishment at sea
18:10.7
operational capacity building
18:15.0
kailangan nila ng
18:20.9
tactical procedures
18:26.1
kailangan nilang gawin yan
18:28.6
parang antiquated na yung
18:43.1
eh meron pa rin kayo
18:50.1
magbe-benefit yung Japan
18:52.6
at magbe-benefit din yung
18:54.6
we're not being drawn
18:59.1
ang ginagawa lang natin
19:01.1
if somebody needs help
19:08.1
nangailangan ng tulong
19:09.1
tinulungan din naman tayo
19:16.6
araw ng kagitingan
19:20.6
nung na-occupy na tayo ng Japan
19:31.6
the islands closer to
19:40.6
General Douglas MacArthur
19:44.1
halika na kasama ka
19:49.7
kapag buklot ay may pag-asa
19:52.6
isang bisayas ming danaw
19:58.1
sa bagong Pilipinas
20:11.6
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