01:11.3
Of course, deaf-edged secretary siya, marami siyang hanaas siya about many things.
01:15.1
But, you know, just silence, right?
01:18.9
Tuloy, nagkaroon ng memes, di ba, na nilagay nila yung greeting niya sa China during founding of Chinese Communist Party.
01:27.3
All of the memes are coming out.
01:28.5
So, this is not a vice president that lacks opinion.
01:31.1
But for some reason, whenever something big happens, meaning China bullying the Philippines, they go completely quiet.
01:37.2
But the other silence, which is really frustrating to me, Justin, I just came back again from our good friends in Singapore.
01:42.9
I was there for the China-Stockholm forum.
01:46.0
We had another discussion there.
01:47.3
And, you know, again, maybe I ruffled a lot of feathers among our ASEAN friends.
01:51.2
And I said, you know, when it comes to ASEAN, 10 South China Sea, they're just...
01:57.3
North of useless, right?
01:58.9
Like, I really asked, what?
02:01.4
And everyone laughed except the guys from ASEAN there.
02:05.3
Like, I said, they're just north of useless.
02:08.1
Because, my goodness, they're saying nothing.
02:11.3
I mean, what are they waiting for?
02:13.1
The only thing I heard is from Prime Minister Lee of Singapore saying a few weeks ago about,
02:17.8
Hoy, Philippines, ingat lang kayo.
02:19.3
Ingat lang kayo dyan.
02:20.2
Parang, wow, thanks.
02:22.7
And natwist pa nga yun sa Pilipinas, di ba?
02:25.5
Kasi that became part of...
02:26.4
And yun nga, na-weaponize yun.
02:27.4
Again, as I said, and I'm being genuine here, I told to my Singaporean friends,
02:31.0
I know the Prime Minister meant well.
02:33.6
And that question came out of nowhere.
02:35.2
Because it was a new economy Bloomberg forum.
02:38.3
Let's not forget, this was about global economy, great power competition.
02:42.6
So, I think he just wanted to give a friendly, constructive advice.
02:47.1
The problem is, it was twisted.
02:49.9
And it was weaponized by mga malus...
02:53.8
Mga marites of this world na...
02:57.0
West Philippine Sea expert.
02:59.1
Biglang may maraming masabi.
03:01.3
Given their body of scholarship and expertise.
03:05.0
So, let's first talk about ASEAN before we go to the Duterte's, our favorite topic.
03:09.2
I mean, what is your take on this, Justin?
03:11.3
Because one of the things that annoys me is they always say,
03:14.9
well, Philippines is really Western and all.
03:17.0
So, this is how they deal with it.
03:18.2
We in ASEAN, we're quiet and all.
03:20.1
I didn't know strategic cowardice is a non-Western Oriental.
03:24.8
I'm not sure about that.
03:26.4
Because Vietnam will have a say on that.
03:28.9
You know, India will have a say on that.
03:30.7
They're not quiet.
03:31.6
They call out China when funny things happen.
03:35.0
So, how do you see that, Justin?
03:38.1
Them occidentalizing the Philippines or trying to say,
03:42.3
ah, mga Filipino talaga na mga Asians yan, mga Latina yan, Americanized yan.
03:46.7
How do you feel about it?
03:47.7
Because, you know, you also deal with your ASEAN counterpart and friends.
03:51.3
Ako, mixed yung feelings ko about this.
03:53.2
On the one hand, you can really feel...
03:56.4
Yung pagiging unfair ng ASEAN na, for example, ASEAN will say,
03:59.8
non-interference is a very key principle of ASEAN.
04:02.9
And yet, a lot of the politicians in ASEAN,
04:05.7
well, they are very tactless about commenting that the Philippines is provoking China, right?
04:10.3
Or at least, alluding to that.
04:12.7
So, non-interference.
04:14.1
Pero pagdating sa Philippine defense and foreign policy,
04:17.1
wala silang pakialam if they are commenting on our defense and security posture.
04:21.8
So, I think there's a certain double standard there, no?
04:23.8
Na tayo nga, yung Philippines, we don't...
04:26.3
At least, at the government level, we don't call out our ASEAN neighbors for saying na
04:30.6
you lack the fortitude to stand up to China.
04:36.2
We don't say that in public.
04:37.6
Pero sila, you hear it from some of the Indonesian elections ngayon.
04:42.7
This is another topic na parang ang naging dating is don't provoke China too much.
04:47.3
Ang hindi nila naiintindihan, same with, as you mentioned, yung sa case ng Singapore.
04:52.6
Kapag naririnig yung domestic audience dito sa Pilipinas,
04:56.0
they are taking that as signaling from our neighbors that they are criticizing Philippine foreign policy.
05:02.8
So, that's the reality of it.
05:04.3
Even if they don't mean it like that.
05:06.4
So, that's the problem.
05:07.5
Merong asymmetry.
05:09.0
But on the other hand, ito, dito tayo medyo hindi aligned na opinion.
05:13.6
Kasi ako, I actually think na, I take it as a given that ASEAN is useless.
05:20.1
Hindi na lang north of useless.
05:21.3
I will really say it.
05:23.2
ASEAN is really useless when it comes to...
05:26.0
dealing with all these disputes with China.
05:28.7
Indonesia as the chair of ASEAN has already stated that
05:31.8
ASEAN is not the forum for territorial disputes and so forth.
05:36.9
But, what that also means is that
05:39.8
yung lack of utility ng ASEAN to the Philippines,
05:44.6
that's precisely the point why we are turning to like-minded partners
05:48.6
na medyo mas may pakialam sa atin.
05:50.8
Japan, Australia, the United States, United Kingdom, and now France.
05:57.6
I mean, I said something like,
05:59.2
India has done more for the Philippines in the past year than ASEAN in the past decade.
06:03.4
In the West Philippines, of course.
06:04.4
Because India supported yung arbitral claim.
06:07.0
They call it West Philippine Sea.
06:09.0
They called out China earlier this month,
06:12.0
earlier this year, sorry,
06:13.4
about the bullying situation there.
06:15.3
And they're gonna give us BrahMos supersonic muscle system.
06:18.4
Name me one ASEAN country which has come close to giving us any of those three.
06:22.8
In recent memory.
06:24.7
So, ang dami talagang tulong ng India.
06:26.0
Pero ito kasi, yung ASEAN is a bit of a different beast
06:28.5
because a lot of the ASEAN states,
06:31.0
they're also arms importing countries, right?
06:33.5
So, for example, Indonesia also buys equipment from India,
06:37.1
from Russia, and so forth.
06:38.4
Same thing, Philippines, Vietnam as well.
06:41.6
Vietnam used to be very dependent on Russia for its weaponry.
06:45.5
So, in that respect,
06:47.7
many Southeast Asian states are just playing catch-up
06:50.4
when it comes to naval modernization, force projection, etc.
06:54.1
Kaya hindi rin nila tayo matulungan.
06:55.5
Which I understand.
06:55.8
Which I understand.
06:55.9
Which I understand.
06:56.0
So, in that respect, ako personally,
06:59.5
I take it as a given na wala naman talagang mahikita ang Pilipinas
07:03.4
with respect to ASEAN.
07:05.7
So, ako personally, I don't want to...
07:08.5
I want to advise the President,
07:11.1
huwag na natin i-waste yung political capital natin
07:14.2
trying to agitate our neighbors.
07:16.4
So, that's where we disagree.
07:17.9
Because for me, I think that it's worth engaging them.
07:21.1
Don't expect 10, expect 4, and I'm okay with 4.
07:24.9
You know, at least make a statement about
07:28.6
we expect, you know, in a shared community of nations,
07:31.9
we refrain from certain aggressive actions.
07:34.1
You don't even have to name China.
07:35.8
Just a statement by the Foreign Ministry of Malaysia,
07:38.1
a statement by farmers of Singapore, Indonesia.
07:40.6
It's a 4. It's not a 10.
07:42.5
Siguro, in that respect, bilaterally.
07:45.5
I mean, bilaterally now.
07:47.6
No, ASEAN 10, kaya nga sabi ko,
07:49.3
it's just north of uses, ASEAN 10.
07:51.3
On the South China Sea, not on everything,
07:53.6
just to be clear.
07:54.8
So, parang ASEAN minus approach.
07:57.9
This is ASEAN mini-lateral, ASEAN bilateral, exactly.
08:01.3
So, I think it would be nice if Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore,
08:05.9
this country, foreign ministries,
08:07.7
just release a statement.
08:08.9
Not, you know, like side.
08:10.0
Of course, they're not in a position to stand up to China militarily.
08:13.9
Just like what India did,
08:15.2
which is a statement on
08:16.2
huwag niyo buli ng Pilipinas.
08:17.7
Yun lang naman ang hinihingi ko eh.
08:20.9
Kaya nga, Justin,
08:22.6
the irony is that,
08:25.7
literally, the headquarters of ASEAN,
08:28.0
Heydarian is known as the ASEAN basher, right?
08:31.0
He's the guy who goes to the Western countries and think tanks,
08:33.9
says things funny about ASEAN,
08:35.5
everyone loves that ASEAN, right?
08:37.2
You know, I'm sure they're gonna say also,
08:39.0
it's not like Heydarian is a very Southeast Asian name.
08:41.7
I'm sure they're gonna even make some slurs about me like that.
08:45.4
Now, I'm just being...
08:47.1
But the thing is, I'm brutally honest
08:48.9
because this is my karenyo brutal.
08:52.1
I've lived in different regions of the world.
08:53.8
They have Game of Thrones,
08:54.6
in the Middle East.
08:55.4
We don't want to have that, right?
08:57.8
But nasasayangan ako
08:59.2
kasi napaka-mediocre ng ASEAN nowadays.
09:01.8
Precisely because of the type of leadership,
09:03.8
not because of the organization itself.
09:06.7
Because you know, I mean, during the Cold War period,
09:08.8
ASEAN was gangster, right?
09:10.7
It would side with Pol Pot against Vietnam, horrible thing.
09:14.5
But later on, it bullied Hun Sen
09:16.4
to form a democratic government before joining ASEAN.
09:18.8
Which is, which by the way,
09:20.2
para siguro din sa mga listeners,
09:21.5
which is actually a good point kasi merong attempt ngayon
09:24.5
to characterize na ang ASEAN fundamentally
09:26.7
is just a talking shop.
09:28.2
But if you look at it historically,
09:30.4
for example, yung pag-support nila
09:32.0
kay Pol Pot against Vietnam, for example,
09:35.8
that is a clear case of hard military balancing.
09:39.1
So it's not as if ASEAN as an institution
09:41.2
or at least the individual member states
09:43.3
are so into this hedging strategy
09:46.0
that they will never commit to hard military balancing.
09:48.9
They have committed to it before.
09:50.3
And I think, yun yung nga yung point eh.
09:52.5
Medyo nawala yung ganong kind,
09:54.5
yung kind of thinking within ASEAN, no?
09:56.2
Na parang medyo kinain siya within its own talking points.
10:00.3
Everybody's sort of doing diplomacy for diplomacy's sake.
10:03.9
It's a beauty pageant.
10:05.1
I'm sorry to say, again, I'm gonna be in trouble.
10:07.0
They made it into a Miss Congeniality Contest, right?
10:10.0
And this is the problem because the more ASEAN does not,
10:14.2
it's just like what I said about BBM.
10:15.9
When you're conflict avoidant, you invite conflict.
10:19.0
The more ASEAN doesn't draw the line,
10:22.3
the more it's inviting the superpowers
10:24.3
to impose their will,
10:25.8
the more you're risking another new Cold War
10:28.5
and the more you're gonna undermine regional security.
10:31.0
So I'll make exactly the same.
10:32.8
Kaya nga for me, Cariño Brutal,
10:34.8
I wanna call it out because I know ASEAN can do better.
10:37.1
But that's the thing, Justin.
10:38.5
Your opinion about ASEAN, whether it's worth it, guess what?
10:41.7
I'm hearing it from a lot of leading strategic thinkers in the Philippines.
10:45.0
Ironically, I'm actually the most ASEAN lover, I would say,
10:48.5
among Filipino strategic thinkers, you know?
10:50.4
And I'm not saying as a point of pride.
10:52.5
I'm just saying it factually.
10:54.3
Because very few Filipino experts even bother
10:57.4
to be emotional and passionate about ASEAN
10:59.5
and look at its history, Pol Pot, and you know.
11:03.3
I'm the only one who does it because the rest are saying,
11:05.9
it's not even worth it.
11:07.2
I'd rather invest in South Korea or Japan.
11:09.2
Siguro, just to explain that context siguro,
11:11.1
which is prevalent even within our own government, by the way, no?
11:14.3
Just in case some of the listeners are—
11:15.3
Of course, I mean, they're part of the strategic elite.
11:16.9
We're all part of the same circle.
11:18.8
This is a very prevalent view in government
11:21.0
for the simple reason na
11:23.6
it sort of pisses us off that, you know,
11:25.9
yung ASEAN right now, increasingly, over the last 10 years, no?
11:31.2
Matatanggap mo pa eh, if ASEAN just stays quiet and is useless.
11:35.8
But right now, there's an attempt to shift as it's—
11:38.8
If ASEAN is not useless from the perspective of China.
11:42.6
Kasi China has used ASEAN and some of the member states,
11:46.8
for example, to delay yung code of conduct discussions,
11:49.8
to water down some of the communication—
11:52.2
So ASEAN is an enabler?
11:54.2
So hindi na nga lang siya useless.
11:55.7
To some extent, it's becoming an impediment to effective Philippine foreign policy.
12:00.4
Ngayon, I, myself included, I don't wanna pick this fight,
12:04.7
yung talagang, you know, it's not be confrontational with ASEAN and say,
12:08.4
you need to stop doing this, etc.
12:10.2
Ang akin na lang, okay, fine, I'm going to sidestep you.
12:13.1
I'm just gonna be diplomatic, we're gonna sidestep you,
12:15.9
insofar as our defense policy is concerned,
12:18.6
provided na kayo, ASEAN, should not be commenting on Philippine domestic policy.
12:23.0
At least for me, doon na tatapos yung discussion for me.
12:29.0
It's a very practical approach to the ASEAN.
12:32.5
I do understand also the criticism to that.
12:35.2
I'm just explaining why it's a prevailing mindset.
12:38.5
Yes, I mean, remember I said something about optics before.
12:41.5
Remember you tweeted something about back in the day, how annoying is China, you know?
12:45.9
Why is the US like begging China for meal-to-meal comms and all of that?
12:50.7
And, you know, and they're playing— I said, you know, this is about—
12:52.9
This is about optics.
12:53.9
This is about US projecting itself as the responsible actor.
12:57.8
And I think there's a value in that optics, because geopolitics is about optics too, right?
13:02.9
So for me, it's also optics, because, you know, I'm very active online.
13:06.7
So I follow a lot of pro-China people.
13:09.4
They say some— I mean, pro-China, not on just West Philippines.
13:12.6
Like, pro-China in general, because they hate America.
13:14.9
So your typical lefty, Frenchy people, right?
13:18.9
Sound stuff on some issues, but horrible stuff on Ukraine and Philippines.
13:21.8
In fact, I saw them.
13:22.9
Essentially, Ukrainizing Philippines.
13:25.8
Presenting the Philippines as the, you know, the edge of the knife of NATO pointing at
13:30.6
China, completely disrespecting our strategic agency, completely disregarding our sovereign
13:37.6
So for me, you don't want to give these idiots more ammunition, optics-wise, right?
13:44.5
Because if it's— Because again, if it's just France, Germany, UK, US, Australia, Japan
13:51.1
saying supporting thing about Philippines.
13:52.7
It's so easy for these idiots, right?
13:57.7
that's why it matters
13:58.4
that a country like India
14:00.6
a country like Indonesia.
14:01.8
Do you get what I'm saying?
14:02.5
That's how things matter.
14:04.0
Kaya that's very important for me,
14:07.2
how it works in practice.
14:09.8
if we wanna push this ASEAN route,
14:12.0
I actually think,
14:13.5
na ASEAN would more easily consent
14:16.9
to maritime patrol,
14:18.5
ASEAN-led maritime patrols
14:20.7
in the South China Sea
14:21.6
than to issue a statement
14:23.3
explicitly condemning China,
14:26.1
Isn't that what Indonesia tried
14:27.7
earlier this year?
14:28.8
Just in North Natuna Sea,
14:30.3
Cambodia vetoed it,
14:31.6
and the Philippines just,
14:32.7
I didn't join at all
14:34.4
the South Natuna Sea version.
14:36.2
Then maybe the approach
14:39.3
should be an ASEAN-minus approach.
14:42.8
we don't really need ASEAN,
14:44.6
the entire institution,
14:45.7
but we just need to,
14:48.0
I think I mentioned this
14:48.7
in one of the previous episodes,
14:51.3
to have a very balanced
14:52.7
defense partnership portfolio.
14:55.2
So, it would be very good
14:56.3
if we can have Indonesia,
15:00.1
Singapore on board.
15:01.6
The other ASEAN states,
15:04.7
it's not a must-have for me.
15:06.1
Yeah, I agree with you on that.
15:07.3
Yeah, that's my point exactly.
15:08.8
Parang yung akin,
15:09.1
parang we can make,
15:10.0
we can try to make headway
15:12.9
that may be more predisposed
15:15.6
So, I think that's a practical way
15:17.4
to address yung ganong line of thinking.
15:21.3
we're in agreement, right?
15:22.5
Because, you know,
15:23.1
we have to always distinguish
15:24.0
ASEAN as an organization
15:25.2
and ASEAN countries,
15:26.8
which are two different things.
15:28.3
I always say the parts
15:29.1
are bigger than the whole.
15:32.3
practically useless
15:33.2
on South Tennessee,
15:34.2
but Indonesia, Philippines,
15:36.2
Malaysia, Philippines,
15:37.6
Vietnam, Philippines,
15:38.5
that could be very, very important, right?
15:41.1
from what I know,
15:41.7
President Marcos Jr.
15:42.5
is going to have a state visit
15:43.5
to one of these key countries
15:45.2
So, we'll discuss that soon.
15:46.8
That will be a different topic.
15:48.7
let's go to the other omission here,
15:51.3
big omission here.
15:56.7
barely saying anything
15:57.6
and then now you have
15:58.4
some of these oligarchs
15:59.4
openly coming out
16:00.8
huwag natin ni masyadong
16:04.5
what are we losing again
16:06.0
Because China keeps on
16:06.8
trading with us anyway,
16:08.1
whether it's Aquino,
16:09.3
or if it's all about
16:10.6
high-quality investments,
16:11.8
where's the high-quality investment?
16:12.9
There was not there anyway.
16:14.5
So, I just don't see
16:15.5
what's the argument here.
16:19.0
if these Philippines
16:20.2
becoming reliable
16:21.9
is bringing high-quality
16:23.0
semiconductor investments
16:26.3
then I'll take it any day
16:28.1
maybe we can talk to China
16:29.1
once they've made up their mind.
16:31.5
they have not made up their mind
16:32.6
because they want the Philippines
16:33.5
to be just a giant Cambodia
16:34.7
like Hunsen's Cambodia.
16:38.2
So, you have to wake up
16:40.4
we're doing what we're doing.
16:46.9
I think when it comes to
16:51.2
I call it the China
16:52.0
blackmail argument
16:54.9
economic leverage
16:56.3
over the Philippines.
16:58.2
we should moderate
17:02.7
I always remind people,
17:04.9
what's happening right now,
17:07.4
that is an imagined problem.
17:09.2
It is not an actualized problem.
17:11.8
Ang dami nagsasabi
17:13.0
China will retaliate
17:14.0
against the Philippines
17:17.0
pag dinignan mo yung datos,
17:19.0
and someone actually
17:20.1
I think si Colin Coe
17:23.2
If you look at the trade data
17:25.3
Philippine Statistics Authority,
17:26.8
yung trade natin with China
17:28.2
has actually remained
17:29.2
constant throughout
17:33.2
meron tayong tensions
17:37.6
in maritime zone.
17:41.7
economically retaliate
17:43.1
every time we have tensions,
17:45.3
it's actually an argument
17:46.4
made by Filipinos
17:47.7
more than the Chinese.
17:51.6
Filipinos are doing
17:52.9
China's work for them.
17:55.7
being propagandists.
17:56.9
They're the useful idiots,
17:60.0
China doesn't even say it
18:01.2
in public that it will
18:02.1
economically coerce
18:04.1
So, sino ang nagsasabi nun?
18:05.2
Yung mga propagandists
18:06.2
ng China dito sa Pilipinas.
18:07.7
They make that argument
18:08.7
regardless of the evidence
18:12.4
this Bloomberg article
18:15.2
Filipino business community
18:17.9
that they may be affected
18:20.8
or market jitters.
18:23.3
I understand with that sentiment
18:24.8
but as it stands,
18:27.3
where is the actual
18:29.1
being done to them?
18:30.7
The article didn't even cite
18:34.9
by which they are being
18:36.2
coerced or harmed
18:37.3
by these tensions.
18:39.8
So, as it stands,
18:42.2
about Philippine-China tensions,
18:44.3
yes, everybody is concerned
18:46.4
But if you're talking about
18:47.6
the economic repercussions,
18:49.6
you show me the numbers,
18:50.6
that there's an actual
18:51.7
economic repercussion to this
18:53.3
before you go on public
18:54.9
scaring people away
18:57.3
we are one breath away
18:58.9
from full economic sabotage
19:03.1
So, show me the evidence
19:07.7
ni Vice President Sara
19:09.8
in responding to the
19:12.5
West Philippine Sea,
19:13.2
I do think it's a very big
19:14.7
mistake on her part
19:15.9
kasi yung omission,
19:19.3
yung, yung, yung,
19:20.5
you put the omission niya
19:22.3
na hindi siya nagsasalita
19:23.3
on the West Philippine Sea,
19:24.9
you put that omission
19:27.5
Nagsasalita siya about
19:30.2
nagsasalita siya about
19:31.3
itong kay Lorraine Badoy
19:34.8
So, she does have the time,
19:36.1
she is willing to spend
19:37.4
the political capital
19:38.4
to publicly disagree
19:41.3
with the Marcos administration,
19:43.6
but she doesn't have,
19:45.6
to spend the political capital
19:47.6
to call out China
19:48.8
for its behavior.
19:53.8
for the sake of argument,
19:55.0
that she's going to be
19:55.7
president in 2028,
19:58.4
yung ginagawa niya ngayon
19:59.4
sets her administration
20:05.1
ang mini-message niya sa China is
20:06.6
China, I have your back.
20:08.7
Parang through thick or thin,
20:10.2
regardless of what you're doing
20:12.4
I'm not gonna lift a finger to...
20:13.5
Or you're inviting China
20:14.8
to interfere in the upcoming elections
20:16.6
because they know
20:17.5
they may have a reliable friend.
20:19.9
if you look at it,
20:21.3
talagang it's not a good,
20:24.4
it doesn't have a good impact
20:25.7
on the Philippines
20:28.5
I'm gonna throw aside
20:29.7
the politics, whatever,
20:30.9
whether or not you agree with her,
20:32.4
but what we can all say
20:34.7
is that she should,
20:35.9
she should be speaking
20:39.3
if at the end of the day,
20:41.9
meron naman pala siyang effort
20:43.7
to make statements
20:44.9
on various issues.
20:47.6
and some people have pointed this out,
20:49.9
we want Sarah Duterte
20:51.1
to talk about foreign policy
20:52.7
when the chief architect
20:54.5
of foreign policy
20:55.9
and she should respect it?
20:58.5
yung context na kasi,
20:59.5
nakakapagsalita siya
21:00.4
on other defense issues.
21:02.5
the Afghan refugee issue
21:04.8
with the Americans.
21:05.7
She spoke about NTF-ELCAC.
21:07.4
So, she can talk about
21:09.9
She's just not talking about
21:13.2
So, that is where
21:14.1
the asymmetry lies.
21:15.9
if she's quiet on everything,
21:17.7
talagang she has this
21:18.7
dignified silence,
21:19.9
she's allowing the presidency
21:21.8
to conduct its policy
21:23.3
without worrying that
21:26.6
a different opinion,
21:28.3
then that's gonna be fine
21:30.5
Giving the incumbent
21:32.7
to conduct defense affairs,
21:36.8
when you come to think about it,
21:38.9
during the Duterte administration,
21:40.7
to be fair to Lenny Robredo,
21:43.2
Lenny Robredo didn't actually
21:44.6
criticize Duterte so much
21:46.8
on itong foreign policy niya
21:49.9
The Liberal Party as a whole,
21:51.8
we have Senator Rizzo Antiveros
21:54.2
but Robredo as Vice President
21:56.7
actually allowed Duterte
21:59.5
that foreign policy,
22:02.0
I'll be very frank,
22:03.1
that foreign policy coup,
22:04.9
na bago yung relations
22:10.4
talagang it was bad
22:11.6
for Philippine national interest.
22:13.4
She kept her dignified silence
22:15.5
So, I do think also that
22:16.7
the Vice President should
22:19.9
the incumbent administration
22:21.0
that courtesy as well.
22:26.7
Actually, I was just looking
22:27.5
at the graphs here
22:29.8
between Philippines and China.
22:31.8
Very consistently,
22:33.7
throughout the days.
22:35.3
probably can even share it here
22:36.6
for people to see.
22:37.8
I was just about to post it
22:40.0
I think yung economic
22:41.6
sabotage argument na yan,
22:43.2
I think some people
22:44.1
omit the broader context
22:46.1
ng Philippine economic relations.
22:49.0
foreign direct investment
22:49.9
of ASEAN as a region
22:51.8
is the United States.
22:53.8
So, kung ang argument mo
22:54.8
is that you should not
22:55.7
pick fights with countries
22:57.3
that have economic leverage
23:00.1
and our neighbors here,
23:02.0
then why aren't they
23:02.9
willing to make that argument
23:04.3
to make peace with the US?
23:07.2
they're doing the entire opposite.
23:09.0
Not only are they willing
